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Between Data and Risk is for founders who are actually building something. After nearly 50 episodes on data, risk, and business ops with corporate leaders, we shifted focus—because the stories that stuck weren’t about scale. They were about the early days, when everything’s uncertain and nothing works yet. Now we talk to founders making real decisions with limited info, tight time, and no safety net. The problems vary, but the terrain is shared: shipping too early, hiring too safe, trusting your gut and hoping you’re right. Your hosts: Artur Guja, ex-CRO and ex-trader who navigated 2008 with gains. Dr. Marian Siwiak, scientist, data whisperer, author of Data Mesh in Action, and creator of artificial sentience. Together, they wrote Starting Data Analytics with ChatGPT. And they still enjoy what matters most: talking to founders figuring it out as they go. Subscribe if you want to learn what works (and what doesn’t) from people who’ve lived it.
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5 days ago
5 days ago
In this conversation, Dr. Marian Siwiak and Artur Guja discuss the challenges and opportunities of implementing AI in the finance sector with Neil Lathia from Gradient Labs. They explore the complexities of building AI solutions in regulated environments, the importance of understanding customer vulnerability, and the role of empathy in AI interactions. The discussion also touches on the evolving nature of AI development teams and the implications of AI on employment and business operations.
Takeaways
- AI is still relatively new in many financial environments.
- Building confidence with stakeholders is crucial for AI adoption.
- Understanding customer vulnerability is essential for effective AI support.
- Empathy in AI involves understanding before providing solutions.
- The future of AI may involve less operational overhead and more efficiency.
- AI's impact on employment is significant, especially in customer-facing roles.
- AI can mimic empathy but lacks true emotional understanding.
- The roles within AI development teams are evolving and collapsing together.
- There is a reluctance to adopt AI due to fear of potential failures.
- AI's ability to navigate complex customer interactions is still limited.
Relevant links:
Gradient labs: https://gradient-labs.ai/
Neal's Github page: https://nlathia.github.io/
Neal's Medium page: https://neal-lathia.medium.com/

Tuesday May 06, 2025
Tuesday May 06, 2025
What happens when government policy meets the business reality?
In this episode of Between Data and Risk, we speak with James Robson, CEO and co-founder of FundOnion, about the intersection of regulation, capital access, and the hiring challenges facing UK SMEs today.
James shares what he’s learned from two recent roundtables with the UK Department for Business and Trade, and breaks down the data from FundOnion’s 2024 SME Survey—including why 86% of respondents believe the Employment Rights Bill gets the balance wrong between protecting workers and enabling businesses to grow.
We discuss the unintended consequences of well-meaning regulation, the invisible line between slowing growth and shutting down entirely, and what founders actually need in order to scale responsibly.
James also explains how SMEs can build resilience by aligning three critical levers: funding, technology, and the right people.
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Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
E048: Freight and supply chains with Alexandros Joseph
Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
In this installment of "Between Data and Risk", Artur and Marian discuss maritime freight, supply chains and more. Their guest is Alexandros Joseph - Private Equity SCM/Business Consultant.
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Friday Jul 21, 2023
E047 SPECIAL: Generative AI for Business
Friday Jul 21, 2023
Friday Jul 21, 2023
In this installment of "Between Data and Risk", Artur and Marian discuss the practicalities, opportunities, and risks of utilizing Generative AI in the business environment. The canvas for their discussion is their newest book: "Generative AI for Data Analytics", now in Manning Early Access Program -
https://www.manning.com/books/generative-ai-for-data-analytics
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Thursday Jun 29, 2023
E046: Cybersecurity & cyber resilience - with Amit Basu
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
In this installment of "Between Data and Risk", Artur and Marian discuss cybersecurity and cyber resilience. Their guest is Amit Basu, VP, CIO and CISO for International Seaways, Inc.
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Thursday Jun 22, 2023
E045: Data in finance: your data, your profit? with Andrew Badstubner
Thursday Jun 22, 2023
Thursday Jun 22, 2023
In this episode of "Between Data and Risk", Artur and Marian discuss the intricacies of using data in the financial industry context. Their guest is Andrew Badstubner, CIO for First Community Mortgage.
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Thursday Jun 15, 2023
E044: Safe and ethical data use in healthcare, with J.D. Whitlock
Thursday Jun 15, 2023
Thursday Jun 15, 2023
In this installment of "Between Data and Risk", our hosts Artur and Marian discuss pragmatic and ethical concerns of working with sensitive data with J.D. Whitlock, CIO of Dayton Children’s Hospital.
They discuss how the safety of data is ensured, what are the needs and solutions for data sharing and exchange, and what are the opportunities for AI utilization in healthcare.
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Happy listening!

Friday Jun 09, 2023
Friday Jun 09, 2023
In the latest installment of "Between Data and Risk", our hosts Artur and Marian discuss building data pipelines with Panduka Nagahawatte, VP of Data Science for Majestic Steel USA.
Yet again, they discuss myths and expectations related to ML and AI, methods of connecting data science with business operations, balancing building data solutions in-house and acquiring them on the external market, and they ponder upon the choice between making data available and properly analyzed.
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Happy listening (really, due to technical problems, today's episode is audio only)!